Black Temple Doldrums

So After 6 deaths ( mine) & 5 complete Raid Wipes
( unless you count Rogues, Hunters and Mages who manage to ‘disappear… ” Why is none of those classes can rez? You would think it would be a bit more practical if a rezing class could do something to avoid death, even a warlock has a death mitgation in the form of a souls stone, but they can’t rez… and a Pally has to kill himself to give someone else a death mitigation)

We finally killed Najentus and Supremous

I was doing all well surviving 3 attempts on Supremous to the point where we actually hit his enrage timer on the 3rd attempt, we didnt have enough DPS alive. So he decided to take a swipe at me as the people left started dieing.

13:50’41.484 Supremus’s Hateful Strike hits Z for 120745 Physical
13:50’41.875 Z dies

120745 Damage. OW!

and yes I has WWS for the fights…. What does it tell me? I’m chasing the other shadow priests tail when it comes to damage. Overall he did 300K more then me but that was across the entire report I died in the 1st 5 min of Supremous Attempt 4 because the massive pile of flaming rocks decided to do his magnet thing and drag me back to his feet where he trampled me. I must have been too far away when I became the ‘target’ but for the most I had to suicide for 2 of the wipes as the call when out to take the wipe as too many people were dead, and the other I got smacked for the 120k damage. I was surviving quite well, using a combination of Bandages, healthpots, Healthstones, Kept Ve and SWP up, and tried to stick in VT as I was running, So I’m happy with the report, Even though it shows me that I have a 4.2 – 5 % mitigation and that was because I was basically in all my PVP gear as a stam set for Supremous, more armor and Stam, less hit.
Its a surviveability fight, and I wanted to live,

I think I have just about decided to stop doing progression raids. The decision has been bolstered by that the guild is building back up their core team of raiders and I am not in it. Which works out ok, given my doubt as to if I wanted to keep raiding, its actually made it easier in my decision not to sign up as often. There is loot I would like, but I can survive without it, I do not want to go back to the days when only the core raiders were garanteed raids, and we didn’t find out till invites that we were lucky enough to go.
Maybe I should respec Holy…. LOL…

I didn’t realise how much I like PVP untill I worked out that i now have 423 Resil, I’m now grinding 40k honour for the Plum PVP trink, which would add to that, and then the next step is to get a PVP dagger, and then that would mean I have a complete PVP Set, rings, trinks, offhand, wand, neck ect ect.. and then I could try for some serious arena.

Much Ado about Ninja’s

Its a common thread on any Realm forum,  “insert random name  is a Ninja” It happens in Pugs, and in guild runs,   and usually with Tier items.

What can you do if it happens?  Nothing.  Not one thing that is going to change their behaviour or cause them grief, and Stressing about it only effects the enjoyment of your game.

No matter how many times you post it in trade, or on Forums.

Doesn’t sound very fair does it?

The sadder thing is that there is often easily obtainable evidence such as the “Monitoring and Logging”  of your chat conversations that Blizzard can do, that the ninja acted dishonourably,  Lied even, and did so with intent to permently deprive someone else of an item. But they can’t be prosecuted or their actions reversed because it happened in a virtual world.  Second Life seems to be crossing the border as to whats virtual and what is real in that they use real world currency to purchase virtual items, and that there are real world court cases on property disputes, and copyright infringements for items that are virtual, as it was determined to have real world value.

So I’ve had a look at Blizzards Warcraft EULA and the only thing close to a potential action against a ninja can be found in..

5. B part 9
Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Blizzard, results or may result in an authorized user of the Program being “scammed” or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor, or any other items that user has earned through authorized game play in the Program .

Arguablly: You could say that the Ninja has scammed you and potentially 23 others into running an instance for their own personal gain. You have been defrauded, as the fact that you killed the boss, you earned a shot at the loot through your ‘authorized game play’
However..
Given that as per the following extract.

8. “You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any virtual property transfers executed outside of the Game or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything related to the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell items for “real” money or otherwise exchange items for value outside of the Game.

No rights and No title – how can you be scammed on something if its not legally yours in the first place..

We really are playing on the whim of Blizzard. ( and for the most we love em..  )

But whats the alternative? A Warcraft Court? Where parties with greviences can put their case forward, imagine the resources required to resolve these issues?

Sorry – I can’t come to Hyjal I’m a witness in a case against Such and Such..   am Due in ‘court’ in an hour..

You can’t protect yourself..  even trusted people go gah gah when its something drops that they have been dying for. Loot councils while on the surface seem fair are often corrupt

Need/greed rolls can be manipulated in that some can greed,  but one need roll will discount all the greed rolls.

I’m a big supporter of Master Looter in a trusted run, meaning that I trust the person who is in control. But I’ve seen mistakes happen – items looted to people that shouldn’t have been..  and not even to a class that can use the item.  Bliz Gm’s responses have been for the most..  your mistake, its not up to them to fix it. I can see their point, imagine the requests they get for BOP item redirectors, Echanters who blow up the wrong item, or people who accidently vendor an essential piece of a Set.

So I propose..

Loot can’t be changed to Masterlooter unless all members of the ‘Group’  / Raid accept Yes.

You can only roll on items that you and your class can equip. ( it will reduce accidental looting and people who need on other items for fun.)

A dispute roll option to be enabled/disabled. Whereas a Vote for NO by a majority causes the item to trigger a re roll request.

Now these won’t stop all the ninja’s and can work against the honest person,  but if you earned the roll, and a majority of other people voted No against you then you have more problems then you first suspected.

Worse case senario – No one gets the item because everyone is arguing about it.

So avoiding pugs isn’t always the answer, its not practical and how else can you meet new people..  ( or be head hunted.. ) and even your own guildys can give you cause for mistrust.. ( everyone knows the toon in your guild that got the Tier piece and then /gquit) People are random.  There currently is no answer but to trust luck.. and as many people as you can afford.

 

A real Life Raid, and a Pally called Dili

We had a real life Raid on my local City Sat night, and so a few people have flown in for the weekend so we weren’t online as much. We had an awesome dinner.. and lots of silliness and they are a great bunch of people, I feel sorry for the guild officer who was with us till after 3am listening to our concerns.. but everyone had a great time – Still trying to sort out the feelings of meeting relative strangers – that aren’t strangers- Spent more time in their company then I have with family and RL friends… and 17 other guildies to meet at once was overwelming I know their voices.. and we all kept calling each other by our toons names.. but I did learn alot of their real names, and Dinner and drinking with them was so much fun! – I recommend having a real meet up ….. and we have the pictures and memories to laugh about for a long time..

I’m a little bored playing my shadow priest besides farming and Raiding- I log in, and run around Shatt for a while, I even deliberatly dismounted in flight outside the scryer bank to add to the pile of two bodys already outside. I am over dailys.. and will only do the ‘fun’ ones

So I’ve been leveling a Pally on another server. An old flatmate has just rolled a toon on Aman’thal and her Hubby to be has been playing since December, so He already has a 70. I broke my tradition in playing with friends because I needed a challange. My Mage Alt is level 55 and Stuck in Winterspring and EPL – am finding her a little soft to play but when she fire crits its a 2 shot on any mob near her level with her +203 fire damage. ( Its amazing howmany greens have +firedamge if you look, and I think I’ve collected everything. I will list it sometime.) So I rolled a pally, and needed a name that was Pally like, so after a few tries to see what was available I got Diligence. This was all good untill I got invited into my friends guild – ( and I accepted – Im not sure I want to be guilded.. and If I really like Diligence her I will server transfer her to my home if she levels high.. ) but then they abbreviate my name.. and its welcome dili! and Welcome Dil.. I’m thinking do I really want to be a dili? or a Dil?
Must remember.. Names get abbrieviated….

She’s level 17 now, and Im really enjoying playing the pally – I’m leveling as Holy with the idea of probably being a healer. Its interesting to have the mix of Strength and holy damage.
The challange was to level her without financial assistance.. just like i did Zah – but this time with the knowledge I learnt the hardway.

She has also earned upwards of 25 gold already. How? Skinning and Mining.
Skin everything, Mine and Smelt everything.. they are selling well , I am also in good greens for my level – Some people will tell you to avoid the AH when buying when u start, but there are always pieces on there cheaper then a white, and better then what you will get questing, you just need to buy smart. I figure by being reasonably geared my toon will survive better.
So I’m saving and bargin shoping on the Ah.
I want to be able to afford my mount at 40 – I don’t have a 70 on this server to be my sugar mummy – I’m also leveling up her cooking – fishing – Firstaid as close to her level as possible, with the idea of being as self sufficient as possible to reduce costs.

Zah leveled all of those after 70 – and its easier at a lower level and cheaper to do bits and pieces here and there.

I am finding that I have difficulty handling more then 1 mob at a time if they are higher then me and It takes longer to kill – I’m using a sheild and a one-handed mace for survivability but I will be trying a 2handed for the dps.. it certainly takes a bit to get used to the getting up close in them mobs face..

Want V Needing of Upgrades and Loot council..

We have been advised that we are moving over to a loot council, and it sounds fair –
Basically it looks like it will be the class leaders and GM/RL, , and in a round about way they will decide who gets the loot if its clear cut, or they will decide who gets to roll. Loot prioritys will be to the main Tanks. For the most things we have let our trials roll on items that Members want, this will probably stop – unless none of the members need them. A Trial is only 2 weeks so its not an unreasonable time to wait.

Because of this we have been asked to provide a list of bosses/items we need, to make it easier for the council, the reasoning for this change, is we had our 1st attempt at Supremous last night boss #2 in BT and we failed.. We got the phases right.. we just keep running into volcanos that would start spewing before they even fully formed.. and at 5k damage each.. OUCH! so we are seeing some progression and the loot is getting better.. and I’m fully supportive of giving it to the people who deserve it,
What I’m finding though is that the Quaility of most of the Cloth Gear for Shadow priests are not that much of an upgrade from the Crafted sets.
Yes there is more stam and intellect or Haste or hit/ Crit , but each of the crafted items have more +spell damage then what seems to be most of the drops, or are better off replaced with the new sunwell Isle Badge Loot.

and thus comes the age old question.. ( well maybe not.. ) Should a player who has not used the tools available eg Profession crafted items, Badge Loots get (eg tailoring/leatherworking/Blacksmith ) to get the Best easily available gear that can be learnt from a trainer.. get priority over someone who has?

theoretically at this point I am better off grinding for Badges to improve my gear then spending hours in raids because most of the upgrades to replace my shadowweave just cannot compare to the +damage – and realistically If I had the spellstrike hood and pants ( also crafted ) I would be even better off! My Belt is the Belt of Blasting.. and that would give me 6 crafted items that don’t have a suitably comparable upgrade via loot.

If I had to narrow down my list of Really Really Need. I think I would have three items. 2 new trinkets, and a ring, out of everything left in the game prior to Sunwell
The Items I want would let me do other things.. Eg Lose my Spell hit Talent points and put them into Crit. Improve my Haste ( I have 2% at the moment with a PVP haste ring and an Badge offhand ect ect… ) But this is where the loot council would come in. Do I NEED an item because of those reasons – probably not.

Lets see how we go…

On a happier note I get to meet a few of my guild this weekend for a semi large gathering in Sydney…. It will be interesting – I hope we have more then wow to talk about.

In the name of progression and Theres something about Pugs..

My Guild Officers have announced that our Kara Runs for the non leets. ( Za Runs for the officers and Core raiders)  will now be  2 x ZA teams.  Its official We are over Kara,

Wait… I’m not.   I’ve missed out on 3 Weeks of a Decent Kara Run because I was being socialable for one of those nights and there were too many Dpsers and not enough healers and tanks to do more then one Kara run the other 2.  So I’m moaning a little because one Kara Clear would have netted me the Badges I need for the next self obtainable Weapon Upgrade of that Badges Dagger.  The Scryer’s Blade of Focus which has more +spell Damage and Stam  then my Current Dagger the Nathrezim Mindblade.

So after being told at 830 Invites were over…   I was like.  Crap. One more run and It would have been mine.   The Mats for Soulfrost are waiting for me in my Bank tab,  just waiting to be lovelingly applied to the new blade. – Besides being a little miffed..  I had turned down a ZA offer outside guild an hour earlier in the hope I would get Kara. I’m not moaning too loudley because I did get to do progression runs this week – so its a catch 22  – I don’t need any loot from Kara.. so I really shouldnt get priority which is fair,

So In a bid to get badges I thought I’d try a pug.  I do the whole Looking for group thing, and get two invites straight up – I’d only seen one guild around, and I figured I’d try that group.

“Ts or Vent I ask? -”
“Nope.”

“Opps..” Main Tank says ” I have to go.. ”
“Darn” Says another team memember, thats the 2nd Main Tank we’ve had leave.

I say.
” Guys Im sorry, but this seems rather disorganised, and I’d rather not lock myself out for a week on a run that is having so many issues so early.”
So I left, and I don’t feel bad. I would only do a Non Vent raid like Kara with people I already knew. Not with a pug. Its a preference, and I am a firm believer that 1 voice is better then 10 people trying to strategise if they are new to the raid in Chat.
In addition, they were pugging a Main tank – twice… and no immediate hope for replacement.
Did I want an easy badge run – Yes and no.. I didn’t care if it were a full clear and I don’t mind dying in the name of learning…. – I just didnt want to waste my time.

So No Kara for me this week.
On the flipside a person who I found while pugging Kara some months back – asked me on sunday night to come to a Gruls Raid – I thought about it – and thought why not – there was no scheduled raids and even thought I hesitated that this would be their 1st guild attempt at Gruls – I figured they seemed organised enough to have a decent shot – the difference in my faith was I knew 2 of the people in the raid, including the Raid leader, and they were filling in dps holes, not healers or tanks which can be volitile..

and we went – and 2 shotted High King.
and had 2 attempts on Grul. Rock fall and Shatter can be a pain to get used to, and not many in the raid had done the fight before.. 34% on the 2nd attempt, which was decent, they now have a better idea. They have the dps to get him next time.

So Highking gave me a badge … taking me to 135 – only 15 more to go.
I need to do more herorics.. just have difficultly findning a non guild group as everyone wants mages and warlocks for specific fights.. Priest CC doesn’t seem to count, so in a 5 man a Shadow Priest is not the 1st choice often, and also maybe I’m over Pugging.. Less good people are pugging… and all that does is perpetuate the lack of progression on the Guilds that just don’t have the numbers or the gear..

 

 

Highwarlord Naj’entus Is dead!

We killed after several attempts ( ok 9 but it was a learning fight and we didn’t use the Illdari Flasks) tonight Naj’entus the 1st Boss in Black Temple. I never thought I would see this content, but WOOT!

No Loots for casters and a decent repair bill later and even though raid consumables are guild supplied, I and alot of other people provide their own.. ( so include the cost of each death for the non “through death flasks” ) its alot easier to have on you – you know what you want and it saves on who needs what – ect ect…

and WWS stats are released and I’m 11th Overall , and 11th on the Final Boss Kill, Considering that when the Bosses Bubble bursts he deals EVERYONE 8.5 K damage. So I was in most of my PVP and hence less shadow damage gear because I needed Stam When I lamented over my Shadoweave set Stats several weeks ago everyone said ” Shadow Priests don’t need stam!” It should only be for this fight, Overall – the better geared and more raid experienced Shadow priest did 200k more damange then me and 40k more on the final Boss fight then me, and I’m happy with that… I is getting better, I’m also getting more raids, weather it be because they need the VT of a Shadowpriest, or that I’ve signed up and seem to be not fracking up.

So I’m out Dpsing the tanks.. Booooyah…

so thats 2 progression Raids I’ve been in this week, do I cross my fingers incase it ends…

/cheer

We are getting there!

Hyjal – and Boss 3 is dead…

Kaz’rogal is down! – Boss three in Hyal..

Several learning curves…. and Waves on Waves of mobs-
We have succeeded. Kaz’Rogal is down… and Thrall when he was at his prime in the good old days… and not needing rescue from Durn is Awesome.. don’t be afraid to allow him and his goons to pew pew abit…

Its hard.. Kaz Mana burns…. and you have to do your thing and keep your mana up above 3000 odd or he blows u up. Check the Wow Wiki or boss killers for the details.. but yar is interesting and fun. Pot pot pot.. and if ur a shadow priest save ur fiend cooldown for the boss fight.. because not only do u blow up.. you blow other people up. One try I was hit by 7k damage because I was too close to another caster who blew up.. Bastardo!
My fault for standing too close. Keep VE up and yeah.. it can all be done.

So yeah I’m getting raids… even if im not on the ‘approved’ list.. there must be something to being reliable.. and being online and stuff..

So No loots for me. Cloth Boots dropped bu my shadoweave was prob a little better..
My IMBA says Im now at almost sunwell with my current gear.. butyeah its been fun!

5/6 SSC and some self actualisation..

Having just come out of a 5/6 SSC run last night with some new Shoulders Illidari Sholders and Handguards of The Avatar T5 Gloves
Yeah for a Raid! No WWS for that yet, But I’m sure I will get cained by the other shadow priest again, he is also using Quagmirran’s Eye so that would explain why he does more damage, and he now has more + base damage then me, but I’m saving badges for the Badge dagger and that will be another +40 odd on the Mindblade.

So lastnights  Upgrades made me lose 11 Shadow Damage, ( and some money regeming/enchanting.. )  and I’m now on 1189 – But I can fix that if I want to Pay 80 odd gold for each +9 shadow damage Gem . ( Price in AH at the moment.) and replace some of my other gems in other gear.

I was happy with my 1200 +shadow Damage – so I waited for an Off Spec Role call to see if anyone needed it more then me before I rolled for the Shoulders. I had My Frozen Shadoweave equiped, I won the offset roll against a Druid Healer who would have have liked it for a DPS set, so I wasn’t competing with anyone who needed it really… I made the mistake of calling it a Vanity role – and almost my head bitten off when I explained that if the druid needed it more then me, I was happy to pass. I rolled because I had already seen too many plums blown up into voids, and Its a sideways upgrade, and that means I lose my Shadowweave +healing 2% set bonus which is pretty crap anyway and some shadow Damage, but its slighly more intell and stam and armour and its irking me that the more +shadow Damage I have the more puny and weak all my other stats are, thats the trade off I guess. 

We had 2 complete wipes,  one on trash and another on Fathom- Lord Karathress  when one of the Tanks had a critical Error on the pull and crashed – but otherwise a good run. It wasn’t too stressful on the Gm/Raid Leader  and I don’t think he had to show agro once – the Guild have had the 5 farmed for a couple of weeks now.   We also effectively 24 manned most of it as one of the healers kept crashing the entire run.

The Guild I was in before my current one had an awesome Raidleader/GM  He was never drunk,  never screamed,  was always firm and patient..   but he needed a  break and Gquit and left.  That was one of the contributing reasons why I left that guild, well he is back and has asked me to consider comming back as he is trying to rebuild.  All the advise on the forums where people ask “Should I gquit?” its always. Yes.  If you need to ask that question then you are already in that unhappy place. So I’m not asking that question. I am asking am I happy enough to stay, and Yes I am happy enough to stay.

Its not so much that I’m in an unhappy place, more that I’m not happy all of the time, and to be honest that probably  because this is probably the 1st guild where I’m not as important, and therefore not needed as much as I would like to be.  I guess its like a Little fish in a Big ocean/ Big Ocean little fish sort of analogy.  I’ve held an officer postion ( and that had its own frustrations.. )  I’ve been the highest level – and highest level of that class/spec in reasonable sized Guilds.

I like being the big fish in the little ocean –  but being the big fish can often mean that your not driven to improve, and I think since joining my current guild, my attitude to raiding, my spell damage the way I think in game has changed for the better. ( Raiding IS very Serious.. ) and while I don’t ever realistically think I will ever be known as the best Shadow Priest on a server – or in all game. ( LOL )  I do want to be as good as I can.

A Raid outside of Guild.. and General Musings

I signed up for a Sunday night raid several days earlier – and then 1 hour before the time last night, I cancelled my sign up.

It was well past invite time – and a friend invites me to a Mags run  and while I know I shouldn’t  – I agree.  I want to raid I want to practice my Raiding.. /Dps….

So I’m waiting in Hellfire Basin. I get a tell from my guild asking me ” Weren’t you signed up for the guild raid tonite?”  ” Yes” I responded,  ” But they were all core raiders in the Que and it didnt seem likely that I would get a spot. So I cancelled my sign up”

“Didn’t you post on the forums what bosses you need?” He asks

” I am 1193 Shadow Damage.. ”   ( yep yep I am now..  ) I don’t need loot, I need to practice raiding to use it.. ”

“Don’t cancel your sign up if you are available to raid.” He responds.  I don’t reply and proceed to Two shot Mags with the Friends Guild. 

I wasn’t in Mags for Loot,  but I want to learn and test out my gear, and spell rotations.. and  all the funny things that you can only learn from doing the raid.  Didn’t feel like being all prepared for a raid and sitting like a dog does for a bone to be thrown at them, to find out that even though I was approved and made plans accordingly that a core raider signed up last minuite and they don’t need me. They have done that to me before..   So for prides sake..  I didnt want it to happen last night..

So as much as I like the people in the guild,  they constantly cause me to question what do I want out of Warcraft End game, and Raiding, as well as what is pride and respect..   

Im expecting a reprisal..  Im sure that they may have seen I was in Mags. – And even though we haven’t done a 25 man raid on a Monday night in several weeks,  Im sure that tonite they will decide to, and it will be Mags/Gruls and I will have to say – sorry am locked.. and they will question..  “Why did you pug it?”

So Im formated my answer… and to be basic.. I don’t like being a benchwarmer..   but the grass is always greener on the other side… and I haven’t publically QQ’d….  I shouldnt have to list the bosses I want so they can sub me in and out…   nor do I want to leave guild yet.. , and yes I completly understand the importantance that should be accorded to a core raider..  they have earned those positions.. someway.. and before I ever got there, but they now have 3 well geared shadowpriests.. and one is a Core raider..   

Above All is I want to LEARN….. yes I like loot..     but if I wanted a free ride  I’d play the girl card and maybe offer some free ‘special’ air time on vent..

Guild Tauren Race, and Fancy Dress… Cows in Pink Tabards

It was rather interesting at the Hit Stats that my Last post about “20 Things you should know about shadow Priests”  created.   I even got random comments..  and critique and more spam.  I always get Insurance Spam – what do you get?

But I Digress.

Sunday Night we had an organised Guild event..   so about 36 of us created Level 1 Female Taurens for a Run to stormwind.   We had some great photo ops, and we created much confusion in Thunderbluff.   With some help of some Guild Horde Alts we had money enough for a Guild, and a Pink tabard.

We Run from Thunderbluff to regroup at the Alchemist trainer near Stormwind.  Theres an Art at running at level one.  We All Dinged level 2 by the time we got to Bootybay, and we had died so many times by the time we got to Elywn forest that none of us had weapons. If you die at the right spot ( or by chance) you can hop to a closer graveyard,  spirit rez and keep right on running.  The aim was to get your body inside the door of Goldshire Tavern – and then the second part was to see how long before we could getinto Stormwind..   some of our bodies are still on the bridge.  We didnt make it far.   I could not stop laughing the whole time.  Because we were all on vent we had movement syncronicity,   someone would say ” Dance with the moonkin.. ”  and we would run over to the poor confused moonkin and surround him.   When ever we saw another female tauren we would cheer as they are a dying breed – its like leveling a level 70 female dwarf – hardley anyone does it.    That makes me on principle want t level a Female Tauren..   But much fun and laughter was had.   Except when we got to our native home and people on Alliance flagged up and tried  ( and succedded in slaughtering some of us at the stormwind gates.  Even after we had a Real Alliance Guildy whisper them politely before hand and ask that they don’t spoil our fun, we are a respected guild on our server and had hoped that they wouldnt be Asshats.  Well they were and they then got alot of angrey tells from us when we logged onto our mains. 

The 2nd part of the Fun was a Fancy Dress party….  We all gathered at the Inn at Darnassus where we would be least likely to be disturbed,  besides the odd random that tried  to steal our Runway.   I didnt win, a  Nakid Gnome in a Voodoo mask won..   but this was my outfit..

I started my show off in shadow with a Firey enchanted Skull mace and my Wand I looked like I had duel Fires.   The Photos a little blurry.. we all got drunk on ale afterwards….

It was a good night…. and I know at least the running of the bulls has already been done and probably a million other guild events similar..  but this was our run – and we had lots of fun.

this is the 1st Major guild event we have done since I’ve been in the guild,  but its things like this that make a great guild..  ( even if I can’t always get a raid spot…   )  There were prizes for First in the Inn at Goldshire,  for the best fancy dress  out of the GMs pocket…  and it took alot of organisation..  advertsiing..  motivating people to go..   to ta to the GM..